Leyenda
Cuenta la leyenda que un día hubo aquí en Colombia un man que también hacía reír a la gente con las vainas que decía sobre la sociedad. Cuenta la leyenda que el tipo apareció un miércoles de 1990 o 1991 a las ocho de la noche en la primera cadena de la televisión nacional en un programa de media hora llamado Zoociedad. Yo estaba escandalizado porque habían quitado un programa muy de mi gusto llamado Mi secreta identidad, pero pronto me desenamoré de este enlatado y me enamoré de la audaz propuesta que incluía imitar políticos, echar vainazos grandes y de frente, pasar animaciones como las de Plaza Sésamo y mostrar que las cosas habían cambiado muy poco aquí, al menos desde que Inravisión había comenzado a transmitir.
Todo eso es leyenda porque menos de diez años después, cuando al sujeto en cuestión lo mataron, nadie se acordó de Zoociedad y por lo visto no hubo grabaciones de Inravisión o de beta —las muchas que yo tenía las borre estúpidamente— que pudieran comprobar la existencia de aquel programa. En cambio se recurrió a grabaciones más recientes de un burdo programa llamado Quac en el que el mismo sujeto buscó hacer lo mismo, acaso con más éxito pero no tanta calidad. (Se agradece a la amnesia colectiva, vergonzoso rasgo de esta noble sociedad, que no hayan pasado imágenes de los horribles momentos en que, de la mano de Jaime Sánchez Cristo, se dedicó a presentar videos de gente que sufría los más estúpidos —«locos», decía el nombre el programa— accidentes.)
No hace parte de la leyenda que este individuo se alió después con un detestable cacao del periodismo nacional que lo puso a hacer chistes cocteleros en la radio y a disfrazarse de desdentado embolador en un noticiero nocturno que tenía por nombre la sigla para el principio básico de la redacción periodística, a saber, «contexto mínimo indispensable». Poco después de que el señor fuera asesinado a balazos en la madrugada del 13 de agosto de 1999, el mismo cacao mediático emprendió una ridícula y desmedida campaña de canonización del humorista muy digna de él. El resultado fue un homenaje con dos esculturas hechas con moneditas y llaves viejas que el pueblo doliente donó con pasmosa rapidez.
Hoy, pasados siete años, muchos extrañamos aún la figura de este sujeto y otros nos quieren meter por la boca a grandes cucharadas a un enano imbécil de chaqueta de cuero rojo cuya noble misión en la vida es salvarnos de una inminente invasión extraterrestre basada en drogas siquiátricas. El mártir al que dediqué los tres primeros párrafos solía proponer frecuentemente con ingenio —a pesar de que estaba cada vez más caspiado y farandulero— interesantes observaciones sobre nuestra forma de ser. A diferencia del alegre enano de la chaqueta roja, el capital de este mártir siempre iba más allá de enunciar lo evidente con histriónica y desesperante exageración o de gastar y gastar el mismo apunte durante tres años; además, nunca terminaban en mofarse de las clases socioeconómicas que estuvieran por debajo de él.
El mártir de la leyenda se llamaba Jaime Garzón.
Todo eso era para introducir una gran adquisición que hice gracias a un regalo de uno de mis cada vez más frecuentes visitantes extranjeros. (¡Es que ahora gracias al presidente Uribe sí se puede viajar en Colombia!). Estos videos, publicados desde hace rato en YouTube —y cuyo audio y comentarios escritos por mí fueron usados esta mañana por el entrañable Gustavo Gómez en su programa de Caracol— son extractos de un video más largo hecho en febrero de 1997 en la Universidad Autónoma de Cali. Garzón llegó allá a hablar de periodismo y en una exposición bastante desorganizada y errática dijo unas cuantas cosas interesantes sobre decir la verdad, o aproximarse a ella, mamando gallo y siendo cansón.
Mi mamá fue su profesora cuando estaba comenzando el bachillerato. Se refería a él como un chino problemático, irreverente pero inteligente. En realidad, la forma de hacer humor de Garzón no era extraordinaria. Básicamente era la misma de cualquier pendejo como yo o como tú, amigo lector, amiga lectriz.
Pero Garzón era capaz de llegar al punto: le dice «la verdad» al país y el país se ríe. Primero hay risa porque es chistoso por como lo dice; después, tal vez porque uno mismo es el objeto de burla. ¿Qué «verdades» necesitaba conocer el país? Las mismas de siempre. Detrás del chascarrillo había suficientes elaboraciones críticas —y aquí uso lo que esto significa en el plano académico— que no necesariamente tenían que ser de Garzón. Él terminaba convirtiéndose en un canal de divulgación.
Parece que al final dejó de hacer reír, porque lo mataron. En otro video, Garzón dice que lo estaban amenazando y esperaba, tarde o temprano, el día de su muerte, es decir, el día en que lo mataran. Siete años después sus palabras siguen vigentes. ¿Lugar común? Eso no le quita que sea cierto. De hecho eran tan ciertas que hasta eran proféticas, señal de que cuando uno comprende la estructura, la aparente lógica que se asienta debajo de todo el mierdero, ya uno puede darle más sustancia a lo que apenas comenzó como una intuición. Para la muestra, el último botón:
No hay nada más chistoso que «Álvaro Uribe es peligrosísimo».
Si alguien quiere bajar el video completo que dura hora y media puede hacerlo con Soulseek. Mi nombre de usuario es juglardelzipa y hay una carpeta en donde están lo dos archivos.
13 de August, 2006 - 14:59
Hoy hay un especial en Caracol sobre Garzón. Que alguien tenga la amabilidad de grabarlo y publicarlo.
13 de August, 2006 - 15:19
Jaime Garzón era de esos sujetos que claramente nos hacia reir de nuestras estupideces, como nación, e independimiente de las causas de su muerte (porque decir que lo mataron por decir la verdad deja ciertas dudas) hay quienes le recordamos como un gran pensador cuyo ideal era enseñarnos cuan ciegos hemos sido riendonos de nosotros mismos.
13 de August, 2006 - 16:09
que decir… que es cierto que somos o soy parte de la masa que se deja llevar por el devenir del tiempo y a este hombre que siempre considere “un tipo brillante” ya la estaba olvidando… pero fue bueno recordarlo, ver los vídeos y por un instánte lamentar que hay tantos que ni lo escucharón antes…
13 de August, 2006 - 20:33
Carajo como se parece Garzon a AndreX LopeX (La X es por lo “trasterrestre”) ; momento …. fue primero quac o la gallina?.
A juzgar por lo que dice lopez en su blog, que mas parece un altar sustento del ego y OJO CON LA PIRATERIA (lapelotadeletras.blogspot.com), el es todo originalidad y muy profesional, a donde ha llegado la palabra profesional.
Ya decia andres el de YoResongo, pq ser un lichigo de jeanes rotos y camiseta del che si se puede ser un comediante de primera con chaqueta de cuero roja y en hard rock cafe?.
REcuerda amigo compra solo el DVD original.
13 de August, 2006 - 21:39
Juan Diego:
Claro, los DVDs chiviados los hacen con sobrantes de Ritalín y eso es pecado.
13 de August, 2006 - 21:51
Oiga, pero el de la chaqueta roja no debe ser más enano que ud.
Y claro, entre payasos se echan flores.
13 de August, 2006 - 22:44
kerberos:
no, es que usted es muy alto y perdió la noción de profundidad. saludos a su novia enana de chaqueta roja. ah! feliz cumpleaños, mi reflejo en el espejo.
13 de August, 2006 - 23:50
No pude terminar de bajar lo de Jaime Garzón en soulseek :(
13 de August, 2006 - 23:55
A propósito el ‘especial’ que hizo Caracol por el 7º Aniversario de la muerte de Jaime Garzón estuvo muy pichurrio.. solo pasaron a Heliberto el lustrabotas y solo hicieron una ligera mención de los personajes de Quac y Zoociedad.. pero nada más y aparte de que nos pusieron a esperar un monton de tiempo mientras se acababa el desastre 20-06, bueno su ‘homenaje’ estuvo demasiado deficiente.
14 de August, 2006 - 00:19
shaorin:
obvio, esas son las cagadas de yamid amat, al igual que la mentira “lo mataron por periodista”. igual el personaje del embolador era muy bueno porque garzón era sencillamente irreconocible cuando lo representaba. realmente me da mucha pena no poder volver a ver zoociedad. seguramente lo veo ahora y ya no es tan bueno… sí… debería tener eso en cuenta. no que va! es que zoociedad era absurdo y novedoso, no ha habido algo así nunca más.
14 de August, 2006 - 02:16
Me ha gustado el enfoque de este reporte. Además, te agradezco enormemente que hayas puesto estos videos en you tube. De alguna forma construyes memoria y haces eco de la espera y la lucha y el camino por la justicia.
Saludos desde este lado de la frontera.
14 de August, 2006 - 05:58
¿Miguel, puede numerar los videos que subió a YouTube y ponerles un título común, para que sean más fáciles de encontrar y visitar? Gracias.
14 de August, 2006 - 06:04
elefante:
claro, si lo hice:
14 de August, 2006 - 07:15
[…] La risa poltica de Jaime Garzn Categoria: 05. Actualidad — LuisCarlos Oiga, qu berraquera cog hoy. Es que apenas conozco a un nuevo amigo y quedo encantado, me lo asesinan el mismo da, pero 7 aos atrs. No hombre, as la vida es una mierda: cuando te dicen Fin antes de empezar a leerla. Sin importar que haya sido una casualidad. Resulta que el Jaime Garzn era un periodista y adems humorista colombiano. Y lo digo as porque el man mezclaba muchas cosas para decir lo que crea: mucho jundamento, un verbo llano pero no dcil, y una facilidad para enganchar con la risa. Era dueo, el muy agraciado, del don de hacer rer al contar las desgracias de su pas, que podra ser el nuestro. La wikipedia nos da un buchecito de su historia militante y artstica: Hace 20 aos fue alcalde de Sumapaz (casualidad?). En 1991 empez a ser una figura televisiva frontal contra la poltica corrupta y vejuca desde el humor no sencillo; y hace 7 aos lo asesinaron a balazos los muy hijos de putas que mantienen el terror en la querida Colombia. Asesinado por incmodo. Por participar en los procesos de paz. Por reclamar como ciudadano la construccin de otra forma de serlo. Que nos lleve el putas si nos quedamos callados. A ver qu les parece esta muestra: El video, junto a otros ms, fue colgado por el Juglar del Zipa en You Tube. Y hoy le dedic un excelente y nada generoso post donde vern otras partes de la misma presentacin y una entrevista periodstica hecha por otros estudiantes universitarios. “Jaime Garzn fue responsable con cumplir ese papel histrico; pasar de ser un puro contemplador, a ser alguien con la suficiente imaginacin para inventarse y transformar el infierno de los otros”, dijo Gustavo Ortiz mientras clamaba por ms imaginadores para su pas. - A Dani lo emputa an el asunto, y critic que hoy no hubiesen espacios de opinin poltica en la TV como aquellos, desplazados por joyas de la cultura como RBD. - Sentido Comn advierte que los crimenes polticos en Colombia dan menos crcel que tocar un culo. - Carmen Julia recuerda cmo aprendi a despreciar el silencio del miedo. Guardamos la berraquera para otra vuelta. Ahora rendimos homenaje a Garzn. Porque tambin nos hacen falta soadores con los pies en la tierra. Los invito a pasearse por los videos y las palabras que le han dedicado. Van 7 aos, o todos los de cada cruz, y ni paz ni justicia se suman para las vctimas. Un placer conocerte, Jaime. 0 comentarios @ 0trackbacks […]
14 de August, 2006 - 09:08
viejo zipa, soulseek es sólo para güindous… ¿cómo hacemos los iluminados que tenemos mac? si se te ocurre alguna solución, se te agradecerá profundamente.
14 de August, 2006 - 09:14
gatodelaluna:
pues no sé, no he aprendido a vivir en la diversidad… mandeme un mail y cuadramos para quemarle un cd.
14 de August, 2006 - 12:51
Zoociedad fue mi programa favorito. Ud tiene toda la razón no fue lo mismo con Quac, aunque tuvo momentos geniales.
Aun me cuesta creer que fácil se olvida acá.
14 de August, 2006 - 13:31
Para Mac hay un cliente de Soulseek llamado SoulseekX - http://sourceforge.net/projects/soulseekx/ - y para Linux se llama Nicotine — http://nicotine.thegraveyard.org/ —-
14 de August, 2006 - 15:15
Yo conocí a Garzón por Zoociedad y por varios conocidos en común que tuvimos. Jamás tratamos personalmente pero tuvimos un extraño diálogo de críticas y reclamos. Todo empezó cuando yo era un principiante en la Universidad y él utilizó su gran poder de oratoria y movilidad escénica en el León de Greiff para taparnos la boca a los que abucheábamos el evento al cual él había sido invitado; previamente, mientras esperaba su turno de palabra, nos saludó como a viejos amigos a muchos de los que estabamos sentados adelante. Después de esa velada me quejé en varias conversaciones de cierto abuso del micrófono (aunque la verdad, lo que nos dijo era más que cierto) y varios años después me sorprendió que - en el mismo escenario - modificó su presentación facilitando el micrófono a la audiencia porque él reconocía más o menos eso que yo le criticaba. Seguramente fue algo tan palmario que fueron muchos otros los que le hicieron la observación, pero en esa y en otras, fue como un conocido fantasma, con quien nunca tratamos pero hablábamos y controvertíamos sobre lo mismo. Su asesinato lo conocí por Radio Francia Internacional, fue un día largo y extraño; cuando los noticieros dieron más detalles de la escena pensé en la estación de policía de Quinta Paredes, donde la llegada de ciertos detenidos esposados hace aparecer en microsegundos a decenas de tombos voluntarios para las palizas, pero para perseguir la moto del homicida nada. Esa noche se me fueron encima un montón de escenas y palabras, de pláticas con esos amigos en común, de evocar una forma de hablar y bromear muy de ciertos espacios de la Universidad, de reclamos que todavía no nos habíamos hecho; para cuando me acosté finalmente estallé en un llanto asfixiante y sin lágrimas. Muy triste todo esto.
14 de August, 2006 - 23:20
No hay punto de comparación entre garzon y los otros….
Estan buenos los videos, pero mi pregunta es si tiene más?
15 de August, 2006 - 00:04
Y lo peor de todo el pais sigue “lo mismo que antes”: politiqueros, guerrillos, paracos y la gente como borregos…
Un saludo
Alejandro
15 de August, 2006 - 00:09
obicek:
el video original dura hora y media. bájeselo por soulseek, usuario juglardelzipa.
15 de August, 2006 - 01:11
Juglar…
Yo me apunto para la quemada del cd, usted disponga cuando.
Topamos…
15 de August, 2006 - 01:20
diego:
pues topemos y ya… paseme su celular en un mail.
15 de August, 2006 - 03:52
Heliberto era buen personaje y hacía críticas contundentes, pero me quedo con otros personajes de Jaime Garzón, no sé, quizá porque cuando sali el lustrabotas ya estaba como muy caspeteado el humor que el hacía, por los vestigios que había dejado Quac.
Juglar, intenté ayer bajar lo de soulseek y como sumercé se desconectó se murió la descarga :(..
15 de August, 2006 - 08:07
shaorin:
ahí le he dado reintentar todas las necesarias veces. paciencia.
15 de August, 2006 - 08:22
Una pregunta ingenua, se sabe por que fue asesinado y por quien?
15 de August, 2006 - 08:52
Creo que Jaime Garzón apareció en el ámbito nacional en un momento en que todos callaban y por eso su voz fue extridente…muchos entendimos a traves de sus chistes e imitaciones que una Colombia perversa (minoría como siempre) manejaba esa otra Colombia silenciosa y estúpida, de una estupidez tan grande que sería capaz de sacrifiacrse por sus ídolos de barro, por los narcos de turno y por los políticos de discursos alusinantes y alienantes…hoy 7 años después, todo sigue tan parecido que dan ganas de volver a llorar. ¿En dónde están las voces colombianas que denucnian las nuevas barbaries sociales de esta locombia?
15 de August, 2006 - 09:06
stirer:
yo no sé. el lugar común es que lo mataron “por periodista”. eso lo considero poco probable, comenzando porque no estoy seguro de que el tipo haya sido precisamente periodista y la gente lo tomara como tal -pero a lo mejor sí-. ¿persona pública? pues claro. ¿opinador? sin duda. pero, ¿periodista? no sé. ¿vladdo es periodista? en fin… en ese sentido la conclusión es que es un muerto útil y eso es más probable teniendo en cuenta la forma como lo usó yamid amat. sé que los acusados son los paras como autores intelectuales y los materiales solían ser los de la terraza de medellín, grupo de sicarios. también podrían ser las farc porque ellos siempre son los culpables de todo, incluso de que hoy te salga nata en el café o de que se te dañe la estufa. además garzón los insultó -o se burló de ellas- una vez con un buen apunte, pero te lo dejo de tarea.
ya más en serio, el caso lo maneja el colectivo de abogados, de lo que se sigue que garzón era terrorista porque el colectivo de abogados solo defiende terroristas. (eso pónganlo entre comillas o después me demandan esos abogados.)
carlos gamboa:
muchas de esas voces las siguen matando… porque no hacen reír, me imagino.
15 de August, 2006 - 11:03
Stirer:
Una semana después del homicidio, El Espectador expuso algunas hipótesis e indicios. Algo claro es que esa semana Garzón fue a la Cárcel La Picota a pedirle a Ángel Gaitán Mahecha el celular para hablar con Castaño y pedirle una entrevista, ya que A. “El Águila”, jefe paramilitar del noroccidente de Cundinamarca le había advertido de la determinación de este para asesinarlo. Se supone que Castaño concedió el encuentro a regañadientes y que el día del homicidio, Jaime saldría de los estudios de radionet para tomar el vuelo a Montería. Dice el mito que la contraorden no llegó porque el sicario vino a Bogotá sin celular.
Sobre los móviles, la más fuerte no era entonces la de su papel de humorista ni la de periodista. Se sabe que Castaño y muchos militares activos se quejaban con frecuencia de su actividad en la gestión de rescates de secuestrados, especialmente en Cundinamarca. Había una calificación de él como una especie de secuestrador disfrazado de gestor de buenos oficios. Se rumoró mucho entonces que, en medio de esa actividad, pudo haber recibido información excepcional acerca del papel de miembros del Ejército en el secuestro del industrial Benjamín Khoudari (vendido luego a las Farc). De hecho, varios uniformados a quienes pude escuchar en la época comentaron (con esa forma irresponsable que tenemos los colombianos de hablar cuando vemos un noticiero) que “sabía demasiado”. La columna de Francisco Santos Calderón en El Tiempo, a propósito del homicidio, hablaba de sectores de extrema derecha de las Fuerzas Armadas (siempre me llamó la atención que, siendo la labor de mediador en secuestros que cumplía Jaime tan aborrecida por personas que pensaban como el actual vicepresidente, fuera este quien usara estas expresiones), algo sobre lo cual no ahondó ni volvió a mencionar. También había una hipótesis que decía que las Farc lo querían muerto por su colaboración en una deserción. Parece que tampoco lo querían mucho de cuando él fue alcalde menor del Sumapaz.
Un par de años después, cuando una tonta de TV Hoy entrevistó a Carlos Castaño de espaldas en el Catatumbo, y luego Darío Arizmendi lo visitó en una de sus fincas en Córdoba para el sonado especial televisado; muchos pensamos en cómo la ausencia de las imitaciones de Jaime Garzón facilitó muchísimo el impacto publicitario de ese destape. La caricatura que hizo su hermano, Alfredo Garzón, en El Espectador; refleja el sentimiento que muchos tuvimos con eso.
15 de August, 2006 - 12:15
Yo creo que por culpa de Zoociedad fue que no estudié alguna ingeniería o alguna administración sino ciencias sociales…
Concuerdo con que era superior a Quac, pero este último era excelente.
Dos píldoras sobre zoociedad… Detrás del escritorio de los presentadores tenían un canario amarillo enjaulado, homenaje al Cannard Encainé francés, que es un periódico satírico amarillista sobre política. En algún momento dejaron morir al canario, pero nunca retiraron la jaula.
La Pili, compañera de Garzón, ha sido la mejor presentadora de noticias de la TV Colombiana. ?Qué fué de ella?
Juglar, sí usted pudo recuperar a Guri Guri, seguro que puede hallar la pista de la Pili.
15 de August, 2006 - 17:49
víctor:
excelente recuento, muchas gracias. lo que hace alfredo grazón me gusta mucho y me recuerda a el roto. como persona es todo lo contrario a su hermano: introvertido, calmado, triste.
nicolas:
no, pues si algun dia ponen a la pili embalsamada en la bodega de conexion colombia… pues sabrán los que siguen trabajando allá, su ex vecina tal vez.
15 de August, 2006 - 19:53
Juglar, que buen recuento además el de Victor Buitrago. Que bueno que ustedes hagan memoria y en especial con ese remedo de periodista oficialista que ya debería haberse retirado que es ese Yamid Amat, que vendería hasta su mama (si estuviese viva) por una noticia. No entiendo como individuos de esa repugnancia aún sigan delinquiendo y menos entiendo como Garzón terminó trabajando con él.
Coincido con la mayoría, tengo muy buenos recuerdos de zoociedad.
Saludos
15 de August, 2006 - 21:57
Una correción, compadre. “Zoociedad” era emitido los miercoles a las 9:00PM por el entonces llamado Canal 2 por Cinevisión y además de garzón (apodado “Louis”), lo acompañaba “Pili” (Elvia Lucia Davila) y en el papel de rockeros, Karl Troller y Eduardo Arias, sin olvidar las caricaturas animadas de Grosso y Quir.
P.D: Ya se lo que se imaginan, que memoria y que desocupado, mas bien diría que soy la sucursal colombiana de ese inmortal personaje de Jim Carrey, “The Cable Guy”.
15 de August, 2006 - 22:10
Superman:
Para nada… ojala fuera asi de desocupado como usted. Lo soy pero solo un poco. Creo que asocio zoociedad con el canal uno porque despues de 1992 (la famosa “nueva licitacion”) cinevision quedo en el UNO. Además lo pasaron a los sábados y eso resultó en su perdición. ¿Seguro que antes era en el 2 (que después paso a llamarse el A, etc., etc.)?
Y vea que de lo de Louis no me acordaba, pero la presencia de Arias y Troller era fundamental… de hecho una de las fallas de Quac fue la falta de Troller (quienes tengan dudas, vean lo flojo que es, con respecto a los libros, el blog de solo Arias. Él ha tenido que aclarar esa situación muchas veces.) Arias tampoco sabe qué pasó con todas las tortas Betacam que debían tener en Cinevisión y que tuvo que haber heredado Caracol. A lo mejor están en las bodegas de Conexión Colombia y yo dizque feliz con Guri Guri.
Y las caricaturas eran un antes y un después en la TV colombiana, sencillamente NADIE HABIA HECHO ALGO ASÍ ANTES. También fue el primer programa en el que vimos las animaciones en plastilina del man ese que hace animaciones en plastilina. Después fue brujula mágica.
En conclusión, Zoociedad era muy bueno precisamente porque era mucho más que Garzón y nadie estaba encima diciendole “haz lo tuyo”.
16 de August, 2006 - 05:50
Victor, muchisimas gracias por la info extensa y detallada, admirable memoria y muy sorprendente en el pais donde casi nadie se acuerda de nada. De nuevo muchas gracias.
16 de August, 2006 - 10:27
Pero no todo fue en vano: le sobreviven “La banda” y Pirry. :P
Pero como Zoociedad, así como ¿Por qué mataron a Betty..?, los Victorinos, la Lectora, “Leche” y cosas así … no se han hecho más. O estamos en franca decadencia o estamos envejeciendo y ya estamos en la fase de “todo tiempo pasado fue mejor”.
16 de August, 2006 - 10:50
Vaya! yo vi esa conferencia hace años en VHS pero nunca pude sacarle copia, me parecio excelente, igual que el escrito de juglar del zipa, para que en este pais sin memoria aun hallan espacios en los que podamos recordar lo que para algunos conviene que quede en el olvido, por que si nos quedamos solo con lo que muestran en Caracol y Rcn…
Intente descargar por Soulseek el video completo pero cuando intento ver sus archivos me sale “Error trying to get file list”, asi que no he podido, seria bueno que se pudiera subir el material en un servidor para descargar directamente (pero no rapidshare o megaupload), si logro bajar el video lo subo en otra parte para que sea mas facil la descarga, pero parece que no voy a poder. :(
De nuevo gracias! excelente material juglar del zipa.
16 de August, 2006 - 17:00
alvaro:
intente bajársela tambien por emule
16 de August, 2006 - 18:01
Sip. Canal 2 cambió a aCanal A cuando se inicio la licitación del 92 y “Zoociedad” pasó al uno, los días Lunes, pero el inicio del fin, no fue el cambio de horario, sino el apagon y su hijito, “La Hora Gaviria”.
Ahhh…y me acorde de otra cosa que no mencionaban…el nombre que Garzón usaba como presentador de noticias era…. EMERSON DE FRANCISCO.
Y en cuanto a lo de Arias, sus columnas en Soho parecen denotar que a Eduduerdi le cayó la “sejuela”….se jué la juventú.
16 de August, 2006 - 18:14
Superman95:
sí señor, emerson de francisco… solo recordaba emerson pero inmediatamente pensaba en fitipaldi.
Sí, arias esta viejo…
16 de August, 2006 - 18:24
Ok, pero me podrias decir como se llama el archivo?
16 de August, 2006 - 18:32
Jaime Garzon1.mpg y JGarzon2.mpg
17 de August, 2006 - 15:49
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18 de August, 2006 - 16:08
Bueno, pues miren que me encontre un video de un fragmeto del famosisimo y muy comentado aqui Zoociedad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVgD1vOKrSQ
22 de August, 2006 - 17:44
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24 de September, 2006 - 10:55
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25 de September, 2006 - 15:12
Juglar:
Estoy interesada en hacer un análisis sobre la estructura de los noticieros en Colombia, la forma en que éstos crean una ilusión de realidad y una necesidad de información en el público. El otro día hablaba con alguien sobre la forma en que Zoociedad y Quac presentaban esos esquemas y me pareció importante la comparación… Mi interés principal es ver la forma en que los medios participan en el juego político y además como contribuyen a difundir una falsa idea de nación.
Sé que no es la idea más novedosa del mundo, que hay mucha gente pensando en cosas similares o incluso en lo mismo, pero bueno, es importante contactar a la gente que está considerando estos asuntos y ver como nos podemos ayudar.
En fin, gracias por el interés y espero que estemos en contacto
25 de September, 2006 - 17:52
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sí, en efecto no es lo más novedoso, pero cuál es tu idea con poner en ese costal a zoociedad y a quac?
26 de September, 2006 - 16:25
Bueno, mi trabajo está planteado desde los estudios culturales y en este sentido la idea de la relación entre la industria cultural, los medios masivos de comunicación y las posibles transgresiones que frente a ellos se presentan sería el vínculo entre los noticieros y su parodización… en todo caso hay que aclarar que, como diría Horkheimer, cuando se inscribe dentro de la industria la transgresión se hace parte de ella, es clasificable y necesaria además. Mi interés en el caso de estos dos programas es ver cómo se inscriben dentro del juego político de los medios y cómo contribuyen a difundir una cierta idea de nación dentro del público. En fin, sé que la cosa suena muy vaga y es lógico que así sea en la medida en que hasta ahora estoy empezando a organizar la idea.
Tengo otros intereses, un poco más personales, en estos asuntos, pero eso es algo de lo que podríamos hablar luego.
21 de October, 2006 - 10:47
Esto escribió rionegrorioblanco:
Juglar publicó unos videos de Jaime Garzón en Youtube, con el único propósito de poder rajar en otro medio de Andrés López, no no no no, utilizar la imágen del fallecido Garzón sólo para un fin tan bajo?.
Lo triste es ver que Garzón preciso está hablando de las razones de “por qué se jodió Colombia” y pues obvio que Andrés habla de lo mismo, o es que todos nosotros no lo hacemos? Eso mismo recalca Andrés… que todos hablamos de eso!
Pero lo que no sabe Juglar es que Garzón admiraba tremendamente a López, a una amiga que tenemos en común, le dijo un jueves “vas para los Andes?, pasate por la plazoleta de Ciencia Política, si está Andrés López quedate, muy buen talento tiene él”
Yo creo Juglar, que cuándo descubras que López tiene su mérito sólo por el hecho de pararse en frente de la gente desde que tu eras un bebé y sacar lo mejor de sí mismo para hacer arte en este país, te darás cuenta que el hombre no es tan simple como crees.
Yo admiro tremendamente al señor López pues acá en el exilio nos vino a visitar y no sólo nos alegró el momento como hace tiempo no lo hacemos, nos hizo oler a tierra caliente y le explicó a todos estos gringos lo berracos que somos los Colombianos.
Juglar, que a una persona le guste lo que le gusta a la mayoría no significa que lo gustado sea vano.
Esto le respondí:
jaja… definitivamente no fue el único propósito. fue uno de tantos… unos tres por ahí, incluyendo el poner en común ese video que circulaba en un medio muy restringido.
pero hablemos de lópez:
si garzón admiraba a lópez (y no sé si “pásate por los andes” significa que lo admirara “tremendamente”) eso no tiene nada que ver con que lópez sea igual o mejor que garzón o que tenga que convencerme de que lópez es bueno y mucho menos que deba admirarlo por el simple peso de una autoridad representada por garzón. tampoco que deba dejar de admirar o elogiar lo que me parece que hizo bien garzón. una cosa es una cosa y otra cosa es otra cosa. a eduardo arias (otro man cuyo humor me gusta) también le encanta lópez. ¿y? le podría gustar a mi papá, ¿y? al papa, ¿y?
usted dice que dejaré de pensar que lópez es simple cuando “descubra” que pararse al frente de la gente es un mérito dejaré de pensar así de lópez. pues bien, me parece que cuando usted dice “descubrir” está queriendo decir “convencer” o “creer”. bien podría decir que yo ahora estoy “parado al frente” de mucha gente, haciéndola reir, haciéndola disgustarse, haciéndola pensar, pasar indiferente, etc. el caso es que definitivamente muchos se cagarían de la risa si les preguntara si eso constituye algún mérito por sí mismo. esa es la misma lógica de los que venden “poemas” o artesanía en la calle: su único slogan es “apoye el arte”. ¿tiene que hacerme sentir bien porque he osado hacer el ridículo? ¡admiremos entonces a todos los columnistas, a todos los cantantes, a todos los políticos, a todas las y los modelos! si el arte es ponerse frente a la gente, ¡entonces qué cantidad de artistas hay! y además ha habido, porque definitivamente lópez no se lo inventó cuando yo estaba en pañales, seguramente alguien ya lo hacía cuando él estaba en pañales.
como lópez hay muchísimos más cuenteros y humoristas de auditorio mejores y menos ridículos. ¿por qué no han logrado estar donde está lópez? para mí es claro que a lópez le va bien precisamente porque no solo hace el ridículo sino porque dice cosas que hacen reír a la gente. ¿de qué manera? una manera muy barata pues apela a la nostalgia, que además está super de moda, gwon, y mucho más entre ustedes los colombianos de la diáspora. y sí, hay crítica (porque, por cierto, no creo que en ningún momento lópez haya querido decir que “los colombianos somos unos berracos”), pero definitivamente queda velada por su exceso de histrionismo. eso precisamente lo hace ver vano. aquí el humor todavía está muy ligado a la pilatuna, a lo políticamente correcto, a lo enfático, a lo denotativo. hay una cantidad de códigos que no han podido romperse. el mismo garzón era así y eso queda claro en los videos: “la vieja que se acuesta con varios es una puta y el man que se acuesta con varias es un putas!” jajaja… ¡ingeniosísimo!
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13 de January, 2007 - 13:05
podrias poner el video en emule, es que he intentado bajarlo por soulseek y no he podido, o podrias explicarme como bajarlo. Gracias.
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19 de February, 2008 - 13:40
podrías subir el video a otra parte?.. en soulseek no lo encuentro
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29 de April, 2008 - 20:23
Juglar excelente su aporte, quisiera saber de que manera puedo adquirir el video completo he intentado con SoulSeek pero no he conseguido exito, seria posible un tutorial para bajarlo desde SoulSeek o si hay posibilidad se subirlo a servidores como Rapidshare o Megaupload.
Juglar Gracias por su aporte y espero su respuesta.
13 de August, 2009 - 13:27
oiga si Juglar, coja oficio. jajaja. mas bien prepare ajiacos en lugar de pensar y escribir.
viendo los videos de Garzón que pasaron al mediodia en los noticieros #yoconfieso que se me humedecieron los ojos ¿y?
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