El llamado del Señor
El Todopoderoso ha llamado a su seno al señor Kaleth Morales. Y yo me pregunto más bien por qué no hará Él de una vez lo mismo con el señor Fonseca, es decir, cuándo «traeremos flores» a su tumba. O bueno, sin ir tan lejos: cuándo se revelará en sus sueños y le dirá al genial representante del género lolerolé uouó —tan popular entre los que rumbean en Andrés y lugares derivados similares— sabias palabras como «hijo mío, deja ya de cantar o te traigo aquí conmigo, a mi seno. O te mando al Infierno».
Paz en su tumba y paz en la radio. Claro, sólo cuando acabe el duelo o sólo hasta que aparezca algún nuevo «revolucionario del vallenato».
25 de August, 2005 - 20:59
Jajajaja… De hecho creo firmemente que Fonseca es un hijo de Satanás, y que por consiguiente un llamado divino no hará mucho más que hacerlo regurgitar notas musicales como siempre lo ha hecho. Deberíamos más bien pedir clemencia para con nustros oídos.
25 de August, 2005 - 21:17
Un poco duro Juglar, pero comparte algo de lo dicho. ¿Dónde andaba? ¿Por qué ya no nos visita su gracia en nuestros bloggs? ¡Vuelve!
25 de August, 2005 - 21:35
siento no estar de acuerdo con el que no se calla. si fonseca fuera un hijo de satán andaría maquillado quemando iglesias y haciendo muy buen cumbiadeath, y todos lo querriamos por trasgresor y buena papa.
26 de August, 2005 - 09:03
Lastima lo de Kaleth Morales, fonseca si que se lo mereseria :p
26 de August, 2005 - 09:13
No logro entender que le ponga un tono de satisfacción a esta noticia, o que vea con esperanzas la muerte de otro cantante como Fonseca.
Por Dios, reflexione un poco.
Es que acaso no se da cuenta que Vivo en el Limbo ahora va a ‘rotar’ diez veces más que antes, solo que precedida por Dj’s elogiando a su autor como la gran promesa de la música colombiana? No tardarán en decir que de no haber muerto él hubiera subido a ser más grande que Diomedes. Si Fonseca se muriera tendriamos meses y meses de alabanzas a su nombre y no se podria salir a la esquina sin oir una cancion suya seguida del himno nacional y el llanto falso de algún locutor tropicalongo.
26 de August, 2005 - 10:11
Sino me equivoco el del grito es Alfredo Gutierrez (campeon de acordion en las tierras bavaras, que deslumbro al publico y al jurado con el grito).
Claro, dado que todos estemos hablando del original creador del grito, y no haya nacido algun otro gritador-imitador mientras yo busco el rastro de Alfredo por aca en Alemania.
26 de August, 2005 - 10:18
Lo sabia. Lo logre. Encontre su rastro en estas tierras: http://www.absolutmedien.com/main.php?view=film&id=279&list=gesamtliste&list_item=0
Pues si, el del grito (al menos el original, y del que me imagino atraves de la pluma del JDZ) es Alfredo Gutierrez. Todo un genio musical “…Zusätzlich zu den traditionellen Instrumenten wurde hier mit E-Gitarre, Bass und Bläsern ein internationaler Big Band Sound kreier…” y hablo en serio. Y mire los creditos de la pelicula, efectivamente a los alemanes les gusta esto. Claro es que cuando se ha crecido escuchando lo que cantan por aca en el campo, pues el vallenato suena lo mas de bonito.
Ahora pensandolo… tal vez no estemos hablando del mismo grito… pues la verdad considero poco probable que ud. conozca de esa musica. Pero en fin…
26 de August, 2005 - 10:34
A mi me causa conmoción la conmoción que causó la muerte de ese cantautor vallenato? Alguien, en un acto de caridad cristina, me podría explicar a quién le gano? Digo es que escuche “que revolucionó” la música vellenata. Y ami,áún con lo que detesto el vallentato de bus, el vallenato llorón y el vallenato yuca, el género, la tradición y la iconografía de esa música si me merece mucho respeto. Entonces, solo a manera de información alguien me podría explicar.
Ola joven y usted que tal es para el fútbol????
26 de August, 2005 - 10:44
Cofrade:
El vallenato es una chimba, es noble y bello. Por eso me llena de ira que elogiaran al ahora difunto y mucho más que digan que lo que hace Fonseca es vallenato. Qué desgracia.
Fútbol: Mi rodilla sufrió grave percance en reciente visita a Chicaque aunque se desempeñó bien en la travesía iguaquense. Normalmente tengo el papel de dar pata sin chuzo en los cotejos. De respuesta lenta y alta tendencia a gritar, el Juglar del Zipa disfruta haciendo de cuenta que sí está jugando.
26 de August, 2005 - 11:47
innecesario. malos deseos para nadie. lo que uno opine de algo no da derecho a llevarlo a esos extremos. pero bueno, “libertad de expresión” que llaman, válidad para todos, inclusive para el juglar, y para Fonseca y sus amigos
26 de August, 2005 - 11:49
Cat:
Malos deseos para con nosotros los de los productores que han puesto a ese man donde está. Y lo peor es que esos deseos se convierten en realidad.
26 de August, 2005 - 12:00
¿?. Vuelvo a reiterar que así como a tí te gusta la libertad esa, dizque, de prensa, que llaman, que se enmarca en el derecho de la “libertad de expresión”, los demás tienen derecho a tocar punk, que no es mi favorito, o vallenato, que tampoco lo es, o en últimas este ritmo “Fusion” que es bueno para embolatar muchachitas. ¡¿Y qué?!. No creo que nadie se merezca una muerte como esa, o como cualquier otra porque canta vallenato, punk, metal, carranga o lo que sea. O pop, que tantos demeritan. Deplorable si se considera motivo de orgullo. Vive y deja vivir, reza el popular proverbio.
26 de August, 2005 - 12:51
Cat. Lo de las muertes como la de este señor no es de merecimientos. Son sólo cosas que pasan. Como pasa que muchas otras, de gente que seguro hace cosas mucho más meritorias, se quedan en el olvido. O, cuando mucho, son la última nota de La tono desde la tarima.
Juglar. Qué pena meterme a responder cosas que no son para mí. ¿Es realmente tan malo lo de la rodilla para no jugar un partido, digamos, poco profesional?
26 de August, 2005 - 12:56
Ladrón:
Espero que no… la verdad yo no me envideo mucho con eso. ¿Cuándo es el chico?
26 de August, 2005 - 13:09
Juglar. La idea es que sea mañana y que hoy Electrión y Cofrade confirmen vía mail el sitio y la hora.
26 de August, 2005 - 13:10
Kaleth y Fonseca son unos príncipes al lado de engendros como Kike Santander o los Stefan(gloria, el marido, Stefano, Jon Secada y toda esa partida de mafiosos musicales). Malditas sean las entrañas que los parieron.
26 de August, 2005 - 14:12
Mal ladrón. De acuerdo: pasan. Como otras pérdidas tal vez más lamentables que no causan tal conmoción. No sé si sea o no justificada la conmoción, lo que defiendo es que no porque a uno no le guste alguien, o lo que haga, entonces Que ojalá se muera y rápido. Por eso estamos como estamos. Respeto señores. A los que bendicen el jazz, los dejan escuchar jazz, a los que les gusta el vallenato, que también los dejen. Es de mentes estrechas vivir de los prejuicios.
26 de August, 2005 - 15:18
Cat:
Pueden morirse unos tras otros pero siempre seguirán haciendo pésima música que será la favorita de pobres y ricos y hará las delicias de niños y ancianos.
Por cierto, a la música esa -lolerolé uouoó- le dicen en Bucaramanga “morcillón” o algo así.
26 de August, 2005 - 15:24
Paz en la tumba de Kaleth Morales.
En cuanto a lo dicho acerca de Fonseca, me reí bastante. Sin embargo, apoyo lo dicho por Arkaham. Y si usted pide por el alma de aquellos que atropellan el vallenato, sus malignos trabajos tronarán en todo lugar.
Alguna vez decían en La Tele “Pobres de Alejo Durán, Leandro Díaz y Rafael Escalona que tienen que compartir gaveta musical con individuos como Los Diablitos, Los Inquietos y demás disque artistas que atropellan el son, el paseo, la puya y el merengue”.
Cero que ese tipo de deseos solo alborotarían más el fervor hacia este género. Y vea ud, Juglar, que en poco tiempo le saldrá reemplazo a Kaleth, o si falleciera Fonseca entonces a este gato, o sea el que sea.
Así es y así siempre será.
26 de August, 2005 - 15:39
De acuerdo con Cat, y con David Cortés. Ante todo, paz en la tumba del señor aquél.
Pero bueno, si ese evento sencillamente abre la compuerta para criticar, pues critiquemos, que carajos. Mauricio (más que el palo de agua), Fonseca y demás son malitos malitos. Letras de Silvio Rodríguez en sus malas canciones, música que trata de robar algo de Rikarena y mezclarlo con Carlos Vives y Chayanne. No iremos muy lejos, sin duda. “Pero son pegajosos”. Y pegachentos y pegotudos, diría yo.
En fin, mejor me callo, antes de que llegue Petrit a decirme que soy “un occidental de segunda mano” (sí, he escuchado a los prisioneras más d euna vez, ¿y qué?)
26 de August, 2005 - 16:23
Acaso el señor olaya desde su tribuna de opinion esta promoviendo el asesinato masivo de cantantes de musica ramplona??? Como es posible que quiera que asesinen a toda esa gente que se gana la vida honestamente. No se puede promover esa clase de violencia y masacres desde este medio…. TERRORISTA!!! promotor de la violencia, estoy horrorizado por esa petición de asesinar a esa gente, hasta yo tengo mis limites por favor, que pasado.
Dr. Barbarie
26 de August, 2005 - 16:25
Yo no he dicho nada de asesinar… El Señor tiene sus métodos.
26 de August, 2005 - 17:52
Si, si Pat Robertson…
26 de August, 2005 - 20:10
Yo no creo en el señor, ni en satanas. Y debo confesarlo para ir de rumba es buena la musica “lorolé”, por lo menos me gusta más que un repetitivo electrónico (pero esos son gustos y no se deben criticar). Lo que si no me gusta de ese articulo de Miguel Angel es que se alegre por la muerte de alguien y desee la de otro… horrible… ¿se estará volviendo facho? ¿o gringo? Que mal Mike que se burle o espere una muerte… pero bien, también son gustos y no se deben criticar
26 de August, 2005 - 20:28
Comparto plenamente la opinion del señor Diego Silva, no le veo el chiste a burlarse de la desgracia ajena, por más que estemos en “el pais del Sagrado Corazón”, es decir en el reino de “al caido caerle”, es que como si yo deseara que usted se muriera por haber escrito, posiblemente, el peor articulo que halla visto en la revista Soho, noooo; simplemente miro hacia arriba y pasa a la chica, santo remedio.
26 de August, 2005 - 21:28
Pasaba:
No sé si usted deseó mi muerte. No sé si alguien lo habrá deseado. Me parecería ciertamente un homenaje. Pero creo que al fin y al cabo es muy poca cosa para que haya hecho pensar eso a alguien. Por fortuna mi artículo no se le aparece en cada esquina.
En cambio, lamentablemente para mí, yo no puedo pasar la página si estoy en el bus, en un taxi, en una cafetería, en una fiesta, etc. y ponen a Kaleth, a Fonseca o a alguno de esos otros.
La muerte y un poquito de humor muy negro.
26 de August, 2005 - 22:24
Lástima que ese pelao se haya muerto tan jóven. Cuando apenas vislumbrabra un gran talento y un estilo de vallenato que por fin había dejado atrás a esos esperpentos de las busetas que llaman ahora “vallenato romántico (o vallenato cachaco), se muere absurdamente.
El tal Fonseca, que hace pop tropical estandarizado al estilo de Arnau, Palo de Agua y tantas cosas más, sí es para mí una jartera. como no pegó con la balada, ahora imita mal al Carlos Vives que la gente esperaba (canatando temitas románticos y no el cuento ese del Rock de mi pueblo).
Y si no le gustaba la canción de “Vivo en el limbo”, con la muerte de este pelao se la tendrá que aguantar seis meses más. De verdad pienso que su muerte es una gran pérdida para la mpuesica colombiana, pues Kaleth Morales demostraba una visión musical amplia, con un vallenato moderno, pero con elementos tradicionales, sin pretender modernizarlo metiendole, como hacen ahora todos los grupitos de fusión cachacos, Rock.
Y pregunto, ¿al señor Olaya le gusta algo colombiano en la música?
26 de August, 2005 - 23:53
Pasaba a saludar porque el tiempo apremia Juglar, un saludo.
27 de August, 2005 - 01:26
Los que participan en esta discusión y defienden la música de Kaleth Morales saben mucho de música para decir, por una canción, que el tipo era la revolución total. Porque es así, por una canción. Dudo mucho que, tal como todos esos que se sumaron a la novela que armaron los noticieros, hubieran escuchado al menos todo el álbum. Es más, en los homenajes que mostraron en los noticieros la gente cantaba, una y otra vez y otra y otra y una más, la misma canción de siempre. Puede ser triste su muerte. Pero bájenle un poquito.
27 de August, 2005 - 02:38
Espere Juglar, espere…. que ya vendran meses de homenaje postumo, y la publicacion de sus exitos ineditos, y sino le “hala las patas”, por lo menos Kaleth (q.e.p.d) si lo perseguira hasta cada rincon del planeta con su musica innedita… y hasta no oir no puedo decirle que tan “los inquietos” o que tan “los nenes” es la musica del señor Morales.
En cuanto a Fonseca, entiendo el humor negro al “desear” la muerte de alguien, cosa que no todos pueden enteder como simple “humor”, y me uno a la LPAMPT (Liga pro aniquilacion de musicos pop-tropicalones ) Disclaimer: aniquilacion=no mas divulgacion abierta de su musica.
Y por la falta de links de audio, y lo alejado que estoy del pais mis primeros comentarios no tenian que ver con el tema.
27 de August, 2005 - 10:38
Pues señor Mal Ladrón: Yo sí tuve el placer de oir el disco del tipo (claramente inferior a su canción éxito) y de oir unas grabaciones con solo guitarra de las composiciones de Kaleth Morales y por esos sé de que estoy hablando. El que no sabe es usted que cree que los que oimos música solo estamos pendientes de lo que ponen las emisoras.
Y creame que oyendo esas canciones, así sea solo “Vivo en el limbo” se demostraba un estilo novedoso de vallenato, que por fin iba a dejar atrás a todas esas hordas del vallenato cachaco (o paisa, pues la mayoría de esos grupos graban y viven en Medellín) de los Inquietos y compañía.
Muy distinto es el caso del tal Fonseca y similares, quienes apelan a las mismas letras y al mismo estilito pop tropical que desde hace tanto tiempo se hace desde Miami.
Así que que pena con usted, pero no se trata solamente de una canción.
27 de August, 2005 - 11:57
Si lo dice el cacique de la junta alias Petrit Baquero entonces es otra cosa porque en su juicio confío.
Aún asñi, “Vivo en el limbo” me parece una canción detestable y como no estoy interesado en conocer la obra que haya dejado este señor y siga oyendo radio en buseta y sigan poniendo esa misma canción una y otra vez pues va a seguir siendo detestable. Tan detestable como el vallenato santandereano o paisa o lo que sea aquello.
27 de August, 2005 - 14:31
Hay que tener cuidado con el termino aniquilacion, mire lo que le paso a Pat. Pobrecito, con aniquilación, remoción o deshacerse, ese buen señor queria decir sólo secuestro. Tal vez el señor Olaya quiera decir lo mismo con lo de “que se acuerde el señor”, pero con tortura incluída. Que inmoralidad pedir el asesinato de esa pobre gente
Dr. Barbarie
P.D: Señor Silva, Como es eso que no se puede criticar y que hay que respetar?? Yo creí que ud no pertenecia a esa plaga de cerdos socialdemocratas y comunistas que han poblado ultimamente internet.
27 de August, 2005 - 17:07
muchas personas creen que burlarse de la muerte es escapar de ella, a todos nos llegara hoy fue a kaleth pero mañana puede ser aquella persona que ha escrito este articulo que no hace mas que dar a conocer la falta de cultura y mal que hay dentro de ella. no se que tipo de musica oira quien ha escrito esta noticia pero si se que es alguien quien no sabe que es el vallenato y que en realidad debe de escuchar esa musica de locos que lo unico que hacen es qritar y gritar. porfavor deberian repetar la memoria de los que se han ido porq el proximo puedes sr tu
27 de August, 2005 - 17:33
Creo que lo que el gruñon del zipa quería decir, mi querido dr barbarie, es que a estos vallenateros lo que el señor debe hacer es secuestrarlos…y reternerlos una temporada en el infierno :P
27 de August, 2005 - 19:05
Mi papá:
Sí, algún día nos moriremos, es la única certeza de la vida.
Y no, no escucho cosas con gritos.
27 de August, 2005 - 19:13
Dr. Barbarie, mi punto, y saliendome del debate de Kalé, es que si a mi me gusta una vaina no veo el objetivo al hacerme una crítica estupida o burlárme rolescamente (es decir critica arribista, i.e. “Los vendedores ambulantes deben salir de la calle por que son muy feos”). Mi punto es que se debe crear debante pero crítica light NO, como el ejemplo del articulo de Kalé de Miguel Angel. Y al decir que no se dee respetar me refiero al caso en el cual alguien decide tomar una postura facha, o agringada, como en este caso el señor Miguel al desear la muerte de alguien, pues no se si sea comunista, pero nada saco diciendole ridiculo o payazo, simplemente “Lo respeto, pero no lo comparto”. Si eso es ser cerdo socialdemócrata y comunista… pues seré un CERDO socialdemócrata y comunista (y confieso que no me disgusta la socialdemocracia) …
27 de August, 2005 - 22:40
Aunque claro, es fàcil ser socialdemocrata y andar cagado en plata.
27 de August, 2005 - 23:22
es increíble lo en serio que alguna gente se toma los comentarios casuales. todos alguna vez hemos querido que desaparezca de la faz de la tierra el autor o intérprete de algo que no nos gusta y nos vemos obligados a oir. para eso no se necesita ser facho o insensible. miguel no está proponiendo que matemos a nadie, ni siquiera que lo censuremos. simplemente se alegra (ingenuamente, porque tienen razón quienes lo amenazan con homenajes y sucesores) de que haya una persona menos en el mundo haciendo algo que a él le molesta. y no, señores, no es para tanto.
28 de August, 2005 - 04:28
En serio??? yo creo firmemente que promueve terroristamente el ASESINATO de la gente que hace esa musica corroncha.
La critica de todos modos SI debe ser destructiva e inedificante. Para que hacerla edificante?? Pa’ que cambien?? no lo van a hacer. Así que es mejor hacerlos sentir mal por hacer esa musica ramplona, grotesca, putrida, pedestre y carente de inspiración. No se le puede meter clasismo al sagrado derecho constitucional de ejercer la critica o la burla a la musica mierdera y a las minoriascon el argumento de: “no me gusta pero la respeto”.
Dr. Barbarie
Por cierto, ese termino “facho”, esta mal escrito y empleado. Ese termino buscando en el diccionario no exite. El termino MAMERTO si. Para tu información, amiguito y mamertos que también escriben aca, implica a un personajillo güevarezco con ese apeelido, que afotunamdamente murio en Argentina hace muuuuucho tiempo, y que tenía ansias de Robin Hood. Asi que vayan corrigiendo su vocabulario y preferiblemente digan… yo que se, FASCISTA (no FACHISTA, como muchos de ustedes cerdos socialdemocratas dicen). Ustedes no dicen ECHENA sino ESCENA (o etzena, que mas da), así que no digan FACHISTA o FACHO. CERDOS SOCIALDEMOCRATAS!!!! Pobre Benito, se debe estar revolcando en la tumba.
28 de August, 2005 - 04:30
COMUNISTA
28 de August, 2005 - 11:17
Yo comparto, tratando de entender al señor Olaya, el desespero de que las emisoras pongan una y otra vez las mismas diez cancioncitas durante un buen tiempo, para después pasar a otras diez cancioncitas. Las que se oyeron cuando estaban de moda no se vuelven a escuchar y desaparecen por completo. el problema es de cultura musical.
A nadie le interesa indagar por un artista y solo oye lo que las emisoras promueven, sin sentarse un momento a pensar en las otras canciones y en todos los otros artistas que andan por ahí haciendo cosas distintas.
En el caso de “Vivo en el limbo” yo le dí palo en Barranquilla y Santa Marta, pero evidentemente ya no lo oia después, pues las emisoras la terminaron quemando. Igual pasó con la tal “Colegiala”, que sin ser un vallenato tan renovador como el otro, también pegó bastante, pero vale la pena preguntar, ¿cuales son las otras canciones de esos artistas?.
El problema es que la gente oye música solo pa rumbear y les valen cinco los musicos que las hacen. Si solamente oyen lo que les dicen los programadores de las emisoras, ¿de qué cultura musical están hablando?.
Vuelvo a decir, “Vivo en el limbo” es una buena canción, que pegó inicialmente sin que hubiese “payola” de por medio, sin embargo, ¿por qué las queman de esa forma?. Hay mucha más música, buena y mala, pero que definitivamente se tiene que dar a conocer.
28 de August, 2005 - 11:23
Y a mí también me gustaron Los Prisioneros
28 de August, 2005 - 11:42
Ahh comentaristas… Mencionan a Kike Santander, a Fonseca a Arnau al Vallenato Paisa-Cachaco-bolchevique, PERO SE OLVIDAN DE LOS SERES MAS DESPRECIABLES SOBRE LA FAZ DEL PLANETA MUSICAL? Shakira y Juanes? El señor cuando se va a acordar de ellos? Que tengamos que escuchar a esa ralea de palurdos hasta el 2040 (y se los aseguro que así va a pasar), es prueba suficiente para mí, que el Señor no existe.
RIP por Kaleth. Prefiero 1000 veces “vivo en el limbo”, a 20 segundos de “La Camisa Negra” o “La Tortura.” Mas bien, que torturen a Shakira en Abu Graib por atreverse a cantar.
Ahhh, y que viva el Faccccccchismo!!
28 de August, 2005 - 12:32
amen
28 de August, 2005 - 18:15
Chacal:
Es que Shakira y Juanes ya hacen parte de la universalidad, de la globalidad, del ecumenismo y de la catolicidad de la basura musical. Muy seguramente otros en otros países ya han pedido para ellos dos pena de muerte.
Yo sugiero que los encierren a los dos en un cuarto aislado del ruido y que los pongan a cantar. Finalmente morirán del desespero que cada uno provoque en el otro. Se hincharán y se hincharán hasta que finalmente estallen.
28 de August, 2005 - 20:12
Pa mi que al Dr Barbarie le gustan Shakira y Juanes..el sabe en el fondo que el mundo es bonito como no lo muestran estos dos exponentes del optimismo y la verraquera colombiana echada pa lante´.
28 de August, 2005 - 20:50
Me consta que al Dr Barbarie le gusta un grupo lamado “las pica pica”, que interpreta éxitos tan sonados como “El bizcocho partido en dos”, “dele por ai”, “cogiendonolas”, etc.
28 de August, 2005 - 21:38
Cacique:
No olvidar “aguardiente pa’l chofer”, hágame el favor.
28 de August, 2005 - 23:09
Pues si, me gusta y que??? representan lo mejor de la colombianidad y es mucho mejor esos cuerpos esculturales de las que cantan -operados- y sus melodias propias de una güiskeria de mariquita, que esa música barata de chimenea tropical como el palodiagua, cabas y demás corronchadas. “Dele por ahi” y “Partido en dos”, son canciones antologicas que bien podrían remplazar cien años de música colombiana mañe como hasta la que ahora hay en este país. A TODA. Vallenato, porro, cumbias y demás oropeles pelles. Que uds digan que me gusta, no es ninguna difamación. Es un honor.
Dr. Barbarie
29 de August, 2005 - 00:15
Juglar: Este post es desafortunado.
29 de August, 2005 - 00:25
Aunque si estoy de acuerdo que lo del tal Fonseca NO ES VALLENATO.
29 de August, 2005 - 00:26
Jaime:
Uno de 105… bien.
29 de August, 2005 - 10:29
no me voy a leer todos los comentarios, por falta de tiempo, pero le debo al juglar un comentario sobre este tema.
Eso de que “paz en la radio” es falso! Me he enterado de la fatídica muerte del cantucho a media noche del sábado y el dolor de nuestros compatriotas. Esto fue luego de mamarme media hora en un comedero de medio pelo, un montón de canciones re pachucas a todo volumen. Que falta de respeto, hasta cantan esa joda y lloran! noooooooo!!!!
Si se muere o matan o meten a la cárcel a un demonio de esos, nos toca aguantarnos más al “Héroe”.
Creo que no hay caso en Bogotá, por eso amo y le debo la vida a mis audífonos…”my headphones saved my life” la la la….
29 de August, 2005 - 10:45
Reitza:
Definitivamente. Benditos sean esos aparaticos.
29 de August, 2005 - 11:19
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Repito, no me gusta el vallenato ni la música de Kaleth, pero sí me da pena que se muriera. Y no puedo celebrarlo.
30 de August, 2005 - 13:25
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30 de August, 2005 - 13:36
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30 de August, 2005 - 22:40
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31 de August, 2005 - 00:11
Dejándola a un lado el debate con el señor Barbarie, que terminó hablando de ortografía… Quería comentar que aunque la mayoría de los cantantes arriba mencionados hacen cosas estefónicas, y no conocen de la música colombia, Cabas si es un buen exponente de la música y la profesionalización del folklore… solo lo digo… espero comentarios…
31 de August, 2005 - 00:12
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31 de August, 2005 - 12:54
¿En serio le gusta Cabas?
31 de August, 2005 - 14:01
Diego:
Esa alusión a “la profesionalización del folklor” me hace pensar que usted cree en la diferencia radical entre arte y artesanía, bastante cuestionable. Pero por no contar con mayores datos al respecto le cedo la palabra al cacique, hombre entendido.
31 de August, 2005 - 22:54
No hubiera escrito lo mismo si se hubiera muerto… hmm no se, cualquier músico que si le guste. Ambos pensamos que el reggeton es una plaga, pero por Dios, hay que aceptarlo como una de tantas vainas que hay en Colombia y en el mundo, pero tienen que existir… si no sería más difícil ser el crítico diferente que siempre le ha gustado ser. Yo agradezco interiormente a los autores de todas esas cosas de las cuales me quejo.
31 de August, 2005 - 23:20
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No son mis días más felices desde que murió Kaleth Morales; tampoco celebro su muerte. Claro que tampoco me llena de tristeza. El post fue un (para usted desafortunado) episodio de HUMOR NEGRO que ha dado para hablar de lo que representa esa tendencia musical desde mi gusto y el de quienes me leen, de la invasión de esos ritmos, etc. No me gusta, la detesto, pero no al tipo que la canta/ba. Comentarios/chistes de ese talante se hacen en la calle a diario, con la responsabilidad que implica. Yo lo hice público en mi medio y sé que no habría podido hacerlo en otro lugar.
Claro. Si mañana amanece muerto Fonseca, quién sabe si yo sería uno de los primeros acusados. Dudaría de que la autoridad competente buscara en la red al culpable… si acaso llegan a buscarlo en el “mundo real”.
1 de September, 2005 - 10:28
Hay que hacer una diferencia entre lo que es folklor y lo que es música popular y en este caso creo que Cabas no ha dado todavía en el punto. El folkor es lo tradicional, digámoslo así. Es chevere, pero finalmente es más cercano a una pieza de museo, pues las comunidades se transforman pero el folclor lo hace mucho más lentamente (así permanezca en algunos lugares). Eso es antropología para estudiar y analizar, mientras que la música popular está viva, la escucha el pueblo y no depende exclusivamente del apoyo de los medios masivos de comunicación para volverse parte de la vida de la gente en su comunidad, pues es un elemento constitutivo de la misma.
Así, los géneros que se van desarrollando naturalmente, de acuerdo a los cambios sociales, y que las personas asumen como propios y como identidad personal, se sienten libres y espontaneos, lo cual creo es un aspecto que le falta a Cabas.
Él, como tantos grupos de fusión sobre todo del interior, toma elementos del folclor tradicional costeño (no lo popular sino lo folklórico), con cierto misticismo, saliéndose de la alegría y proposito de esta música que es el ritmo, el baile, la diversión (claro, hay muchos más). A su vez, lo mezcla con elementos del rock, pop y similares.
De esta forma, trata de modernizar el folclor pero no lo popular y por eso creo que Cabas no se siente ni de aquí ni de allá y nadie lo asume como propio. Yo oigo sus discos y son muy bien producidos, pero por alguna razón, no me llegan, contrario, por ejemplo, a una buena cumbia del Joe Arroyo.
Pienso que la idea es buena, aunque ya muy gastada por todos los grupos bogotanos que parten de lo que hizo el “Bloque de Búsqueda”. El cuento chocoloco de meterle guitarra eléctrica a los tambores y a las gaitas, suena bien, a mí me parece interesante, pero algo le falta todavía. Tal vez es afinar el concepto, si es que hay uno.
La idea es buena, pero pienso a veces que profesionalizar el folclor, sería en cierta forma acabar con él. Lo otro son interpretaciones de ese folclor que son muy ricas e interersantes y que deben desarrollarse, así como lo hicieron los argentinos, brasileros y cubanos, que en esto nos llevan años de ventaja.
1 de September, 2005 - 11:25
Cacique:
Me intriga su definición de folklor como “cosa de museo”… me intriga porque no entendi la diferencia entre eso y “popular”… porque por ejemplo, volviendo al vallenato, hasta cuándo el vallenato fue folklor y cuándo comenzó a ser popular (hasta llegar a “guayigolizarse”)… ¿o tiene la virtud de ser ambas cosas a la vez? ¿Qué pasó con “miseria humana”?
También me dicen por el interno que hay una buena propuesta de fusión y fisión tropi-afro-folklórica, un grupo que se hace llamar Po. Hace mucho no se presentan, ¿usted sabe de ellos?
1 de September, 2005 - 12:45
Para no meterme en cuentos jartos, de esos que citan a “la industria Cultural”, le puedo decir que el folklor -a mi modo de ver- responde a esos elementos tradicionales de una cultura, los cuales sin embargo, poco cambian, mientras las sociedades, en su permanente transformación asumen nuevos referentes de identidad. No quiero decir que el folclor no sea necesariamente popular, sino que en muchos casos -la gran mayoría- no lo es.
Por ejemplo, la Salsa no es folclor, así se nutra del son cubano, el guaguancó, la bomba, la plena e incluso, la cumbia, los cuales en sus manifestaciones originarias sí lo son.
La Salsa obedeció a unas características muy particulares de la comunidad latina de Nueva York y posteriormene del Caribe Urbano, como factor de identidad y cohesión, con elementos también del soul, el rock y el jazz gringos, siendo una manifestación netamente popular, viva y abierta a cambios.
Igualmente la champeta no es folclor, sino una manifestación netamente urbana, popular, producto de diversas influencias, donde lo africano (sobre todo el soukus) tiene en Cartagena un elemento de influencia notable y vital para la identidad y la diversión del pueblo y se arraigó sin necesidad de que la gran industria musical la vendiera.
Las barreras entre esas dos definiciones no son claras y corro el riesgo de caer en contradicciones, sin embargo, si bien mucha de la música popular se basa en el folclor, no lo es necesariamente. Folclor vallenato es el del festival (aunque ese mismo festival ha estandarizado lo que era el vallenato originalmente y sus formas de interpretarlo) mientras que Diomedes, por citar un ejemplo, es una manifestación genuinamente popular, surgida en un contexto natural, que vende discos masivamente y llena estadios. Se basa en una música folclórica, pero con características nuevas, pues es música viva, que acompaña lo cotidiano de quienes gozan con estos géneros.
Otro ejemplo: Petrona Martinez es puro folclor. No es de consumo masivo y seguramente en la costa suena para actividades culturales de divulgación, pero no en las manifestaciones populares de la cotidianidad. Es más, tuvo que pegar en Europa con todo ese cuento de “world music”, donde están encantados con todo lo que le suene a tambores, para que los bogotanos, con mucho esnobismo, fueran a sus presentaciones.
Por otro lado, una cosa distinta es la música impuesta por los medios masivos de comunicación.
Si bien la música popular puede contar en muchos casos con este apoyo, termina cediendo en no pocas ocasiones, a decisiones que estandarizan los géneros. Así pasó con la Salsa, que perdió la fuerza y agresividad de sus primeros tiempos; pasó también con el merengue y el vallenato. Ejemplos como el pop tropical estandarizado -con acordeón o sin éste- que tanto han criticado aquí, son frecuentes y no son -creo yo-manifestaciones populares, ya que obedecen a decisiones de la industria para vender por vender.
Lo popular surge por si solo, y a pesar de que los medios masivos lo impulsen, se arraigan en la sociedad, durante el tiempo. Joe Arroyo, Diomedes -gusten o no a los lectores de este blog- y tantos otros ídolos populares, pueden partir del folclor, pero su música está viva en los pueblos que los escuchan y consumen, mientras que el folclor por si solo, es una base que no se puede desconocer, pero que ya está muy lejos de las sociedades urbanas que se viven y que están permeadas por incontables influencias.
1 de September, 2005 - 12:47
Porcierto, estimado Juglar, por el Grupo Po pregúntele al Dr Barbarie (aunque el señor Lewinski también parece que tiene información), pues dicen las malas lenguas que en su juventud era su presentador oficial, antes de que decidiera optar por la senda del mal (próximamente escribirá sobre “Las Pica Pica).
Sin embargo, Po nada tiene que ver con el folclor, pues modestamente, lo ubicaría como una manifestación popular (algo así como un Sergio Méndez), que llena bares, pero que no intenta el rescate de ritmos tradicionales, de esos que se bailan con polleras y -como diría el Dr Barbarie- lanzan odas al Dios Musirako.
Le cuento que próximanete saldrán en “Mucha Música”, ya le avisaré y se encuentran grabando un demo con todos sus éxitos.
1 de September, 2005 - 15:08
Cacique:
Qué buena su conferencia que ha hecho de juglar del zipa un espacio de reflexión.
Uf… y espero que también haya un salto de calidad en cuanto al Po.
1 de September, 2005 - 15:34
Cacique… muchas gracias por escuchar mi comentario y a mi no me gusta Cabas pero me parecía que lo que hacía era presentable. Igual solo opino de música se muy poco o nada. Un saludo y gracias por su apreciación.
Y usted sabe que también me gustaría volver a ver a Po en los tablados… un saludo
1 de September, 2005 - 17:35
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5 de September, 2005 - 23:11
Cacique alberto (con voz insolente)..hola, como estas…no sabía que te habías leido “la industria cultural”…al fin cuando te graduas, pedro?
6 de September, 2005 - 11:30
Popular! en primer lugar, que pena utilizarlo como punto de referencia. Yo sé que apunté un poquito alto, pero bueno, el que quiere ser papa tiene que pasar por sacristán, ¿no?. y no sé, la tesis ahí va, con calma, pero eso sí, preparaándome para la gran clebración en la cual finalmente veremos embriagado al hombre más popular de los Andes (obviamente sabemos de quien se trata, usted).
Y claro, antes de pasar por el vallenato y toda la sabiduría popular, pasé horas inmerso en todo lo que concernía a la Escuela de Frankfurt. Después recuperé el camino.
9 de September, 2005 - 12:11
Veo que le vienen bien las entradas de El Cacique a esta discusión y al blog. Luego del comentario muy NEGRO de HUMOR NEGRO de el Juglar, viene bien dar el giro.
La fanaticada del Gru-po-Pó pregunta, ¿cuándo es la presentación del Pó en MUCHA MÚSICA?
Avisen por favor.
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